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Post by gingitsu on Dec 27, 2006 20:57:07 GMT 1
my friends horse was chasing birds in her field and fell over. she twisted her pelvis and broke her femur-ok it wasnt as bad but she was still on box rest for a year. she can now do evrything she could do before the accident apart from in hand showing as she is now unlevel in trot. which is a shame as shes an arab x and lovely looking. i would do it i have to say if i knew the odds were good.
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Post by katefox1812 on Dec 27, 2006 21:10:22 GMT 1
Metalwork in the leg does not necessarily mean any more pain than any other fracture - my husband has a whole load of metal to fix a badly broken ankle, and never had any pain at all.
The amount of box-rest seems no more than many other cases I have heard about - none of which were super-valuable racehorses. If the horse has the right temperament and care, I think this may be worthwhile to ensure that he enjoys a long and happy life at stud (pretty much a stallion's idea of heaven, by the way...). Let's not condemn the owners without knowing all the details - they may not just be motivated by money - innocent until proven guilty and all that - I would give them the benefit of the doubt, I think. JMO.
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Post by julz on Dec 27, 2006 22:12:10 GMT 1
Why is AI not done in tbs? first i knew of it!!!
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Post by xxx on Dec 27, 2006 22:15:17 GMT 1
I do believe they are apparently doing it out of love, and are happy to keep him as a field ornament, but the leg does look very deformed to me! BEtter than a horse I read about who had a prosthetic leg. Juls-that is kind of common knowledge! They cannot be registered unless naturally covered.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 27, 2006 22:47:09 GMT 1
but will they let him cover mares naturally? most of the time it's done artificially.... Not with TBs - AI isn't allowed. Admittedly, he wouldn't be covering mares out in the field - it's a highly 'managed' business (the big TB studs will have something like 8-10 members of staff 'helping' as well as vets, mare owner's agents etc. etc. observing.)
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Post by treacle on Dec 27, 2006 22:58:09 GMT 1
Barbaros recovery from injury is ace, his owners arn't doing it for money but because hes a beloved homebred. Right now theres talk of him leaving the vets hospital and maybe going to the Kentucky Horse Park for another year of recovery. As of yet he WONT be covering mares next season, theres even a chance he maybe gelded. He was a very good race horse who was managed to be saved, hell so many are slated on here for not being saved, now the one high profile one who is alive is being I agree with everyday comminal garden horses not going through this kind of surgery, but this boy has wealthy owners, who at day end love him and dont need the money from stud fees (they were rich before they sold George Washington for over a million as a yearling), so good luck to him and connections. Lets hope he makes it to the covering pen and reproduces himself and his ability of which there was plenty. AI is not allowed in TBs full stop, its natural covering all the way. Theres enough mares being covered live, let alone what could happen if AI was allowed. Most top sires cover 400 + mares world wide which is way to many already.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 27, 2006 23:01:57 GMT 1
Actually, the most important part of the whole Barbaro business is the increased interest/research funds it has generated for laminitis. Barbaro got laminitis in the other foot and had to have a major resection. By September last year, the 'Barbaro Fund' amounted to some $1.25 million - and approx. half will go to laminitis research.
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Post by julz on Dec 27, 2006 23:32:47 GMT 1
oh this gets better..... he's now had laminitis? because of the extra weight he's had to endure on the other foot... (compensating for the sore leg?) so he's had more surgery to resection the foot?
Just had a look of the "after" photos...the foot is badly mis-shapen and he doesn't look at all happy on it.
What else might be instore for him in the future? more surgery, shortening of the leg? back problems? hip rotation? This horse won't live to his 20's.... I've no doubt that his owner's love him and his fans... but why put through that, just for a few more years with him? Crazy!
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Post by treacle on Dec 27, 2006 23:53:24 GMT 1
abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2742921Link to the latest Barbaro video. Julz yes he had laminitis in his other leg, yes his hoof was re-sectioned. If you feel by his owners saving him they are cruel, thats fine. I can honestly say that plenty of people have/would have done the same regardless. Barbaros painfree, yes his joints swollen, but blimey it will go down with time and more therapy. Ok it will never be normal looking, but hes alive and so far looks to have a bright future. This isnt the first time this kind of surgery has been done, the last one was a mare who has bred 5 foals and happily gallops round her paddock with her foal. Yes she has therapy everyday, but again shes alive and rather happy looking. Barbaros not scheduled for anymore surgery, his owners are looking for places with climates for him to go and recover. Nureyev (famous racehorse) broke a hind leg in his late teens, he had surgery and lived until he was in his late 20s without a problem.
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Post by wildrover on Dec 27, 2006 23:59:06 GMT 1
I dont really think anybody can make an accurate assessment on the true positon from a few photos and articles on a website. A lot of assumptions are being made here i.e. whether the owners care for the horse, whether money is the motivator etc etc.
There will be guidelines in place for vetinary practices etc to ensure at least some degree of ethical standards are being adhered. Janetgeprge speculates on the potential earnings of the horse after recovery. However, presumably the owners have gone into this realising it may not work and in the end the horse may have to be pts. Therefore, they may still be laying out a lot of money potentially without any return. Nobody on this DG can really tell the true motives or otherwise.
Research is one thing that does need to continue and progress. For instance, who would not want a development in medicne that would control and cure laminitis or any other potentially fatal disease.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 28, 2006 0:08:51 GMT 1
What else might be instore for him in the future? more surgery, shortening of the leg? back problems? hip rotation? This horse won't live to his 20's.... I've no doubt that his owner's love him and his fans... but why put through that, just for a few more years with him? Crazy! He got the laminitis very shortly after the original injury - despite considerable attempts to prevent it happening. It might be crazy - in your opinion. In some ways, I'd agree. BUT, as long as the horse is getting GOOD treatment (which he is) I'd still say it's not 'cruel'. Let's face it, loving owners spend many thousands of pounds every year on horses not worth a fraction of the spend. In many cases, the horse's prognosis is poor and it would make FAR more 'sense' to put it down! I know - I have a filly in my stables - only 18 months old. Earlier this year I spent nearly £2,000 for surgery on her stifle when she developed OCD after an injury. (without the problem, she MIGHT have been worth £3,000) She has been a marvellous patient - if she hadn't been so easy going and calm about prolonged box rest (about 7 months total box rest - and still on restricted exercise) then her chances for full recovery would have been so low as to make the exercise pointless. I am as sure as I can be that she hasn't 'suffered' anything but minor discomfort and a little bit of frustration - and her recovery has been very good. BUT, she MAY develop arthritis in that stifle in the future. I certainly wouldn't sell her. Tell me I'm crazy - I don't care. When Dawn nickers 'hello, Mum' and ignores her feed in favour of a bit of fuss, I know I'd do it again. Maybe she'll 'repay' me by being a great broodmare - maybe arthritis will mean I have to put her down prematurely. But she deserved a chance!
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