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Post by cookie on Jul 21, 2014 17:45:50 GMT 1
Pony has loose poo. Yo suggested just the heat as it messes up gut bacteria, (discussed with another liveries vet). Haven't used pre or probiotic before, thoughts please? Did try yea sac a couple of years ago and couldn't get him to eat it?
Wondering if electrolytes might be appropriate? It's been less than 24h I will keep a close eye.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 10:18:04 GMT 1
I'd have thought it's more likely to be a flush in the grass or a change to new hay.
Pre biotics (like yea-sacc) are a food for the gut bacteria and help the population that is already there to grow well. Pro biotics are a dried bacterial culture to immediately increase the amount of gut bacteria.
I've had good results with Equimins Inner Balance probiotic. If you use something else compare the label to the equimins one as (much like balancers) some are full of fillers and flavourings and not a lot of good stuff.
Electrolytes will only help if he's been sweating a lot (of had the runs for a long time) and not been supplied with enough electrolytes to compensate for his losses, it won't help if his gut bacteria are disrupted.
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Post by janwilky on Jul 22, 2014 12:35:11 GMT 1
Pre biotics (like yea-sacc) are a food for the gut bacteria and help the population that is already there to grow well. Pro biotics are a dried bacterial culture to immediately increase the amount of gut bacteria. Agree, but it's the other way round: yea-sacc is a live yeast probiotic and brewer's yeast is a dead yeast product (prebiotic). I feed both for different reasons, but if we get runny poos (usually caused by a flush of grass) I increase the yea sacc and it usually solves the problem in 24 hours. I haven't had runny poos this year though, both my geldings used to do the occasional cowpat but they haven't done so for ages despite the grass being in almost constant flush mode since April. I'm not sure what has made the difference, but it's either treating them for suspected ulcers in late winter (I used Chios mastiha) or switching from feeding magox to mag chloride: I don't know why this should make a difference, but both boys are able to tolerate grass with less effect on guts and feet this year.
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Post by cookie on Jul 22, 2014 12:45:02 GMT 1
I thought grass too. We had a lot of rain at the end of last week and that with the heat is sure to have boosted the grass. If I thought he'd eat yea sac I'd do that... will look at the cone you've used Michelle, thanks both.
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Post by cookie on Jul 22, 2014 12:47:36 GMT 1
Anyone used live yoghurt or think of reasons why/ why not? Saw some old posts on h&h...
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Post by janwilky on Jul 22, 2014 12:57:12 GMT 1
I've switched to the highly concentrated form of Yea Sacc TS this year: it's on special offer from Progressive Earth at the moment www.ebay.co.uk/itm/YEA-SACC-TS-450g-Highly-Concentrated-Form-Forage-Balancing-Digestive-Health-/271423702361?pt=UK_Horse_Wear_Equipment&hash=item3f321d0559. It comes as small granules (bigger than the usual powder form of YS 1026) and I find I only have to feed a tiny quantity as it's 10x more concentrated than normal YS - I use a small 1ml scoop and most of the time I only give them about half a scoop twice a day, upping it to a full scoop when we have a grass flush. One 450g bag has lasted me at least three months so far, making it very cost-effective. Just thought if yours doesn't like normal YS he might find the TS version more tolerable as you feed such a teeny amount that he possibly wouldn't notice it in his feed? ETA Personally I wouldn't use yoghurt as it's a dairy product and I don't like the idea of feeding animal products to adult horses, but that's just a personal view.
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Post by jill on Jul 22, 2014 14:40:16 GMT 1
I have fed live yoghurt (actually, I since have found out all yoghurt is live ) with no ill effects. Difficult to say how effective it is, or yeassac come to that, because most healthy horses tend to generate the right bacteria themselves given time, and slightly runny isn't a problem so long as they have access to water so they don't get dehydrated. What is more of a problem (and the reason I used a probiotic) is horses who don't seem to be able to digest and get the most out of heir food, and I think yoghurt has helped those, such as Sabria who is 35 and needs help with almost everything these days.
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 22, 2014 15:33:53 GMT 1
wow 35 well done Jill Sent from my GT-I8160
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Post by cookie on Jul 22, 2014 17:44:59 GMT 1
Agreed jill. This isn't a huge problem and interesting to see what happens over the next 24h.
Jan thanks for link, indeed I might be able to disguise the concentrate much more easily. X
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Post by jill on Jul 24, 2014 7:59:39 GMT 1
Has it calmed down yet Cookie?
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 24, 2014 9:56:06 GMT 1
Hope all ok Cookie
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Post by cookie on Jul 24, 2014 16:31:46 GMT 1
Sorry guys. Yes, it was totally fine by Tuesday night a 24h thing so I've done nothing this time but feel better prepared should it happen again. Thanks all x
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 24, 2014 19:06:54 GMT 1
Good that's a relief then Sent from my GT-I8160
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Post by nich on Jul 24, 2014 22:43:30 GMT 1
I use the same yea sacc as Jan W, it's great due to the small volume. Also think it's the grass, have had to go back to stabling Brio for ten plus hours to sort her gut out, and stop her manic behaviour under saddle. Spanish horses just can't cope with the lush grass our yard has. Moving in three weeks to our own land so ...
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