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Post by amandap on Jul 13, 2014 10:13:06 GMT 1
Sorry but "new quick fixes " just don't hack it when it comes to Horse's lives ! There is always another way, it just takes longer, is harder work but pays off in the end. I so agree. Sedating a horse to travel puts the horse at grave risk imho and am not surprised to read it is illegal! I am reading so often about horses being sedated for all sorts of day to day management reasons... can't get my head round it at all. Some horses are sedated daily for months it seems! Whatever happened to managing in ways acceptable to the horse and training?
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 13, 2014 10:16:11 GMT 1
Yup I know its going off topic but charm was sedated when he was sold and also continued to be when ridden by someone who was supposed to be helping (before me). Poor boy
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Post by jill on Jul 13, 2014 15:04:35 GMT 1
I am reading so often about horses being sedated for all sorts of day to day management reasons... can't get my head round it at all. Some horses are sedated daily for months it seems! Whatever happened to managing in ways acceptable to the horse and training? I think it is a factor of the severe shortage of the old style horse person who had inherited their horsemanship from a long line of antecedants. Nowadays many many horses are owned and/or managed by people with no background with them and who don't understand that horses don't come pre programmed knowing what is expected of them. Which is why IH and a lot of the other more empathetic BUT clear boundaries and unambiguous kind training methods are so valuable.
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 13, 2014 21:25:25 GMT 1
Well said Jill
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Post by clipclop on Jul 13, 2014 21:55:36 GMT 1
How does he travel in a lorry?
If he travels fine, I would pay a transporter to take him in whatever type of box he is good in.
I personally have had a horse try to climb out of a trailer on the motorway many years ago. It was extremely scary and not something I ever wish to repeat. I bought a lorry as a direct result.
At shows I have on 3 seperate occasions ended up rescuing other peoples horses from trailers. Twice from over the bar, once from having got it's head caught under a leadrope. None of these occasions resulted in any injuries thankfully but dealing with a panicking horse in a space as confined as a trailer is extremely dangerous.
Some can of course panick in a wagon (and can go over bars in 3.5t boxes or climb on tack lockers in bigger boxes) but if you know your horse simply isn't happy in what you have, you need to work gradually to address that. Push it now by travelling him 2hours and he may never go in a trailer again.
I totally ditto above regarding not sedating and would really recommend you bite the bullet and pay whatever necessary to travel him safely if the journey cannot be postponed, even if that means travelling with a companion who is happy to travel back alone.
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Post by Francis Burton on Jul 14, 2014 8:04:02 GMT 1
I am reading so often about horses being sedated for all sorts of day to day management reasons... can't get my head round it at all. Some horses are sedated daily for months it seems! Whatever happened to managing in ways acceptable to the horse and training? I think it is a factor of the severe shortage of the old style horse person who had inherited their horsemanship from a long line of antecedants. Nowadays many many horses are owned and/or managed by people with no background with them and who don't understand that horses don't come pre programmed knowing what is expected of them. Which is why IH and a lot of the other more empathetic BUT clear boundaries and unambiguous kind training methods are so valuable. In a recent thread on the H&H forum, there was a lot of discussion around sedation for injections but no one seemed very interested in behavioural approaches to the problem (though in a later thread someone reported on their success using clicker training). I find the assumption that there should be a quick fix for every problem quite depressing.
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Post by portiabuzz on Jul 14, 2014 9:48:54 GMT 1
me too
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Post by lizpurlo on Jul 14, 2014 10:36:39 GMT 1
Going further beyond the original question, and not having a 'go' at OP in any way at all, the idea of using sedatives on a panicky horse always worries me. When you look at the RSPCA attempting to catch an unhandled colt by shooting it with a tranquiliser pellet - and I know that that's an extreme case - it's always a horrible sight as the colt fights and fights.
The horse is a prey animal, and I think when he feels his strength and consciousness ebbing away as the sedative kicks in, unless he is very secure with his surroundings, his instinct must be telling him that he is going to die, at the mercy of a predator. And of course he will fight against it, for as long as he can. I've seen this happen with a very feisty Section D colt of mine, when he was sedated for gelding - my vet ended up giving him far more than the normal dose just to get him to go down. I don't like sedatives at all, for that reason - they can simply make matters worse in a stressful situation, although of course they are valuable for veterinary use.
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Post by SarahW on Jul 15, 2014 8:12:56 GMT 1
I have to say, that I am not a fan of these rear facing trailers simply because it is so hard to get the bar and partitions down if a horse does get itself into trouble in the back. There's also only one way out for the horse. In any event, it's a job for the fire service animal rescue team if a horse does get itself into a mess. There have been so many incidents of people getting killed or very badly hurt if they try to rescue a horse out of the back of a trailer when things have gone wrong.
It is illegal and extremely dangerous for someone to travel in the back of a trailer with a horse. The insurance for the car and trailer would immediately be voided so that anyone injured in the accident would not be covered and that would include someone in another car that was nothing to do with the horse or the driver. Just imagine what would happen if the horse did decide to go berserk - you have no way of telling the driver and you've got two extremely powerful front feet coming towards you - it's not a good idea! In fact, it's a very good way to get yourself killed. If some one has done it (and I have in the past and would not now) and got away with it then remember that success can be the enemy of excellence.
The only answer here has to be training and practice otherwise you have got a very unhappy horse in a very awkward set up and an accident waiting to happen. I'd be borrowing a trusty Ifor where you know he has been fine but I;d want to borrow one to check that before he is moved.
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