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Post by ba on Jun 18, 2014 12:45:51 GMT 1
I'll miss the IHDG, as I won't be joining. Things change and evolve and it's IH's decision to make.
Does anyone know of any similar forums I could access? Enlightened Equitation?
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Post by mollichop on Jun 18, 2014 12:59:00 GMT 1
I really didn't want to get into a discussion of how the board is run, and I won't comment for the mods, but as there is an overwhelming sense of sadness I feel it's best to explain my side of things. I am the only RA who posts on the DG with any sort of regularity. Most of the others either don't have the time and/or run their facebook pages to discuss their work. Because this forum goes under the name of IH, there has to be someone who keeps a vague eye on the advice that is given. Even with the best disclaimers in the world, people who come on here for the first time will see it as IH, and will see the advice given as that too. I have talked to some where that has been the case. I have seen some terrible advice given over the years - anyone remember a well known breeder advising that people walk their colts with a piece of hose in the other hand to hit them with? We all know that people with problems will sometimes try anything, even something that in fact goes against their own judgement. Take the bad loader at the showground, with a helpless owner standing by while someone bullies their horse. That's maybe not going to happen here, but there are sometimes things that I pick up that are simply not IH. Sometimes I've posted here, sometimes I've contacted the poster by PM. In order to pick those things up, though, you have to read everything! No, no one's asked me to do it but I believe that, if this discussion group exists, someone has to make sure it's IH. And there's no one else left but me! So yes, scream, shout, weep at me - this is in large part my fault. It is, though, also a sign of the times and sometimes we need to recognise that times change things. On the other hand, there is clearly intensely fond feeling towards this place, so we need to have a think about how it could work. It does have to change, but there is possibly a middle way that I'm mulling over. Leave it with me for a day or so, and I'll be back... ok? Aaaaw Lizp I didn't realise that it was falling to you to uphold the IH flag on here. You have been a fantastic but obvz overwhelming job. Thank you for everything you do and have done.
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Post by Emma on Jun 18, 2014 13:52:12 GMT 1
I really didn't want to get into a discussion of how the board is run, and I won't comment for the mods, but as there is an overwhelming sense of sadness I feel it's best to explain my side of things. I am the only RA who posts on the DG with any sort of regularity. Most of the others either don't have the time and/or run their facebook pages to discuss their work. Because this forum goes under the name of IH, there has to be someone who keeps a vague eye on the advice that is given. Even with the best disclaimers in the world, people who come on here for the first time will see it as IH, and will see the advice given as that too. I have talked to some where that has been the case. I have seen some terrible advice given over the years - anyone remember a well known breeder advising that people walk their colts with a piece of hose in the other hand to hit them with? We all know that people with problems will sometimes try anything, even something that in fact goes against their own judgement. Take the bad loader at the showground, with a helpless owner standing by while someone bullies their horse. That's maybe not going to happen here, but there are sometimes things that I pick up that are simply not IH. Sometimes I've posted here, sometimes I've contacted the poster by PM. In order to pick those things up, though, you have to read everything! No, no one's asked me to do it but I believe that, if this discussion group exists, someone has to make sure it's IH. And there's no one else left but me! So yes, scream, shout, weep at me - this is in large part my fault. It is, though, also a sign of the times and sometimes we need to recognise that times change things. On the other hand, there is clearly intensely fond feeling towards this place, so we need to have a think about how it could work. It does have to change, but there is possibly a middle way that I'm mulling over. Leave it with me for a day or so, and I'll be back... ok? Thank you for your help and contributions to the forum LizP. I didn't realise those types of instances had happened. I can see from my short time at IH that you have made a commendable difference to people who have posted on here and asked for nothing in return. My questions were to understand more about the expert advice as this might be an option more affordable for me & sounds like a positive thing. If this of course is best discussed later I understand. I don't think this is your fault at all. I have to embarrassing admit I don't know what DG stands for? From my time on the forum I have to admit that I never thought the advice in here was from IH the books were suggested to me when I first joined. The only advice I thought was from IH was from anyone in blue or in the members forum. As a new member I don't know if this is useful? X
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Post by marychick on Jun 18, 2014 13:55:27 GMT 1
DG just stands for Discussion Group
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 14:16:24 GMT 1
IH members can always post about their horses' problems in the members' forum, that won't change. We've had some good brainstorming threads - Dave the door kicker and Oskar who says no for instance - and I'm more than happy to support/contribute to those threads. And we'll keep doing more learning stuff, the case studies, video analyses and anything else that springs to mind so that general learning continues, which should mean that you can all solve any problems that arise, even before they've become problems!
The idea of the 'ask an expert' area is more aimed at non-members, those who would otherwise ask in Horse Help or in general. Those people can pm whichever expert answers their message (probably mostly me), and for a contribution to our charity fund will then get their question and an answer posted in the new Expert area. They can of course come back and check what we mean or say 'I forgot to mention...' or something. The contribution wouldn't need to be a lot, just a few £. It's amazing what difference those small amounts make to our total.
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Post by portiabuzz on Jun 18, 2014 15:02:12 GMT 1
have started a thread on general about another board, so we could use general / NH but not under IH ....
I will always be a member, and thank Liz for all she has done
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Post by cookie on Jun 18, 2014 16:12:19 GMT 1
Ditto the others thanking Liz. You do an amazing job Liz.
Just throwing something out there but is there any way of making the members forum "read only" to non members? This might be a good way of demonstrating the value of being a member whilst keeping the workload manageable?
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Post by janwilky on Jun 18, 2014 16:39:13 GMT 1
Ditto the others thanking Liz. You do an amazing job Liz. Just throwing something out there but is there any way of making the members forum "read only" to non members? This might be a good way of demonstrating the value of being a member whilst keeping the workload manageable? Just an observation... but I'd been visiting and posting on the General board for months, possibly longer, before I realised there was a members-only area at all. Perhaps I'm just a numpty, but with so many sub-boards, many of which are not very active, and limited time available I only ever looked at threads in General and occasionally Horse Help. So to many outsiders/visitors these main boards probably are the 'face' of IH.
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Post by cookie on Jun 18, 2014 19:27:22 GMT 1
Jan, I was assuming the other boards would go as planned and a read only members board become the public face so yo speak...
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Post by Hannah on Jun 18, 2014 20:01:16 GMT 1
LizP does an amazing job and has revived the IH members board with some brilliant discussions and case studies.
I found the old IH board having never heard of Monty or Kelly, but have gone on to join IH and do all the courses. While plenty of people may find IH without this DG, it certainly brings some people in!
I don't know about many other discussion groups, but Enlightened Equitation for example, has some free boards and other (paid-for) members only boards.
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Post by Steve Reid on Jun 18, 2014 20:49:11 GMT 1
Horse and Hound forum is free and has a lot of traffic.
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Jun 18, 2014 21:24:46 GMT 1
Ok, so I'm bad, and I rarely come on here now because I live abroad for a lot of the year BUT, this forum has been such a mine of information for me in the past and in turn, I hope I have helped more than one or two foals into the world through it ( often by phone ) and been able to share my experiences of breeding and bringing on my foals through their formative years and beyond. I don't DO Facebook or Twitter, or any so called "social whatever", and seeing and reading the damage that can be done through these channels, I can happily say, I never will. However, through this forum, so kindly set up by Kelly , whom I now am privileged to call a friend, I have met sooo many lovely people who genuinely love horses and whom I also can call friends, and I am totally gutted to read that I can no longer call on them or their knowledge through this forum. I have had beautiful paintings from Cameo and Veronica. I have shared jokes and sorrow, and I have formed lasting friendships and shared my grief when I lost my girls, and joy when my "babies" have gone on to be successful in the Show Ring. In short, I am a Member, but the member's forum is just not the same. Please----------------do not change!
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Post by antares on Jun 18, 2014 21:33:16 GMT 1
Horse and Hound forum is free and has a lot of traffic. Yes this is true but some of the advice given on there doesn't really fit well with IH principles IMHO
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Post by humility on Jun 18, 2014 21:55:56 GMT 1
Horse and Hound forum is free and has a lot of traffic. Yes this is true but some of the advice given on there doesn't really fit well with IH principles IMHO You are quite correct. But the ensuing discussions from various different factions enable one to cherry pick the very best of advice without relying solely on one source. There are some quite rough and ready types there but if you read on a regular basis you soon discover the ones who give the best advice. OTOH since HHO seems to be very much broken at the moment it's a bit of a moot point
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Post by specialized on Jun 18, 2014 21:57:02 GMT 1
Ditto the others thanking Liz. You do an amazing job Liz. Just throwing something out there but is there any way of making the members forum "read only" to non members? This might be a good way of demonstrating the value of being a member whilst keeping the workload manageable? Just an observation... but I'd been visiting and posting on the General board for months, possibly longer, before I realised there was a members-only area at all. Perhaps I'm just a numpty, but with so many sub-boards, many of which are not very active, and limited time available I only ever looked at threads in General and occasionally Horse Help. So to many outsiders/visitors these main boards probably are the 'face' of IH. Totally agree, I think somebody needs to take careful heed of the views on here before making the final decision to close what is one of the main shop windows for IH that is easily accessible to all...the losers will inevitably be the horses, but I think there will also be a noticeable decline in new membership directly attributable.
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