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Post by Furiey on Jan 14, 2013 20:33:20 GMT 1
And you were 5 years old when you were making these haynets SS? Yep, that's right Kelly and by the looks of it, Furiey was even younger LOL Yes, my parents were not afraid to use child labour! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2013 21:04:34 GMT 1
I did push the boat out and invest in a couple after Henry broke his headcollar, the lead rope and the feed shed in one fell swoop but left the piece of string intact!! I think that was at least in part because he got the leadrope wedged under part of the shelter, so the rope pulled taught on the shelter was taking a lot of the force off the string. I'm not using the euiping/ tie things because Talin seemed to work out very quickly that a few head tosses would get him free. I've had orange pink and yellow twine on small bales, I didn't think the colour was indicative of strength??? The orange stuff that was on my small bales was nowhere near as thick as the stuff they use on big bales.
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Post by curlytobiano on Jan 14, 2013 22:24:43 GMT 1
I just use the orange string from hay or straw bales and none of my horses ever have any problem breaking it!! Mind you Harry has snapped more than one leadrope too. Like others, I find those special safety ties often break very easily and can encourage escape attempts.
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Post by shan on Jan 14, 2013 22:36:49 GMT 1
I find once they suss it, normal twine can break very easily and encourage sneaky escapes, usually in the 5 seconds it takes to turn round to turn a tap on, lol!! (I also find quick release knots are quicker to release when a horse does it... they're not daft are they, and they do teach us to find ingenious ways of tying them! ;D )
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Post by Hannah on Jan 14, 2013 23:23:33 GMT 1
I use small bale twine, but tie to about one-third of the thickness.
When one of my ponies first arrived, he pulled back for fun. Once he was loose he just wandered about, it seemed to be almost him having a temper about being restrained. I taught him about pressure and release and he kept on pulling back and then just standing there. I used to have 3 spare lead ropes tied up, all different lengths, when he pulled back, he would break one bit of twine but he was still tied up, the pulling back didn't continue for long after that.
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Post by mags on Jan 15, 2013 10:07:14 GMT 1
I use a heavy duty cable tie to make a loop in the ring on the headcollar, and clip my rope into the cable tie loop, rather than the metal ring on the headcollar. If the horse pulls back, the cable tie will break (you can choose what strength of cable tie will work for you) and the horse won't have a lead rope dangling from the headcollar to send him into a panic (potentially). Also means I can tie up anywhere I want and still have a breakaway point.
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Post by Kelly Marks on Jan 15, 2013 10:29:35 GMT 1
Mags - can you give a link to a cable tie that you might use so I can take a look please?
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Post by mags on Jan 15, 2013 11:09:39 GMT 1
I bought the last set at Clas Ohlson's. They were the strongest they had, and came in a smallish pack (maybe 20? Definitely not a 100 in the pack.) If you follow the link here: www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cable%20Ties/Pr220522001and scroll down to the lowest one (7.6mm wide, 10 per pack), that might be the ones. I got this idea by reading a blog on the web and tried it first with some thinner cable ties that I had lying around at home, but those were too weak and pulled apart right away. Here's a picture (though I've clipped into the headcollar ring here for leading):
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Post by kizi on Jan 15, 2013 11:10:26 GMT 1
I use a heavy duty cable tie to make a loop in the ring on the headcollar, and clip my rope into the cable tie loop, rather than the metal ring on the headcollar. If the horse pulls back, the cable tie will break (you can choose what strength of cable tie will work for you) and the horse won't have a lead rope dangling from the headcollar to send him into a panic (potentially). Also means I can tie up anywhere I want and still have a breakaway point. That's a clever idea..
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Post by rrosie on Jan 15, 2013 12:38:55 GMT 1
I either fray it with a knife or use the thin string that comes from the top of a feed sack, doubled or trebled up, that breaks easily, sometimes a little too easily if they are bored...
Rrx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 12:54:38 GMT 1
Although I totally agree that what you tie them to needs to break, I am wary of the fact that tieing them to something too flimsy and only increasing the strength of the tie after they've worked out they can break free could be setting them on a path to using ever more force until you've got a horse you can't tie up.
I was watching Talin this morning, he's still regularly trying his head swinging technique that worked so well to free him from the equiping.
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Post by marychick on Jan 15, 2013 13:37:30 GMT 1
I suppose this is one of those situations where you have to know your horse and find the safest and most practical solution for you both. Everyone thinks I'm mad for using Equipings for Molly (the old kind that are reeaallly easy to undo) but Molly is very good at standing still. Tbh I don't need to tie her up she'll just stay where I put her, even without a headcollar on ;D But with her I know if she does spook and panic I want whatever she's tied to give immediately. There have been times where something has spooked her and she's flown backwards and as soon as the tie broke she relaxed and stood still. She didn't gain anything from it so didin't learn it was an easy route of escape. I worry that if the tie had given some resistance she would have got in a real panic and potentially reared and hurt herself. Her daughter on the other hand is far less panicky and alot more inquisitive so will happily break away from the equi-ties and wander off! hehe So with her I do use thin bailing twine so she can't find a release from breaking it to easily. For me this is just a short term solution though- I hope to get her used to standing still and being bored and she has been coming on with this nicely. I don't know if I'd feel comfortable leaving her tied up unattended with bailing twine though. I think you're right about them learning to use increasing force Michelle- we've even got one horse at my yard who has been known to break out of headcollars as a result of this! I really like the idea of the cable ties! There was a horse at my vet surgery that unfortunately had to be put down recently when the clip of his head collar got stuck on a lorry and he panicked, reared up and broke his leg If there had been a cable tie on his headcoller it might have broken and saved his life!
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Post by kizi on Jan 15, 2013 15:21:56 GMT 1
I bought the last set at Clas Ohlson's. They were the strongest they had, and came in a smallish pack (maybe 20? Definitely not a 100 in the pack.) If you follow the link here: www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cable%20Ties/Pr220522001and scroll down to the lowest one (7.6mm wide, 10 per pack), that might be the ones. I got this idea by reading a blog on the web and tried it first with some thinner cable ties that I had lying around at home, but those were too weak and pulled apart right away. Here's a picture (though I've clipped into the headcollar ring here for leading): I actually can't believe I never thought of it for tying up, I do it with anyone I have to leave a head collar on in the field for what ever reason, I either replace a side clip or ring with a cable tie, going now to buy more haha
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Post by shan on Jan 15, 2013 21:50:33 GMT 1
Great idea! And if you have no cable ties to hand, use good old fashine baling twine
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Post by jinglejoys on Jan 15, 2013 23:41:05 GMT 1
I thought the orange stuff had always been plastic!
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