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Post by mandal on Jan 12, 2013 21:45:31 GMT 1
I see this horse dentist started using one ring and then moved to two. See two articles by Dennis Chapman. www.holistichorse.com/horse-health/dentistryNo mention of checking or treating for ulcers, diet or management changes just put these in and stop the cribbing at all cost never mind the horse can't eat normally!
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Post by Amanda Seater on Jan 12, 2013 22:34:48 GMT 1
OMG!!.....
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Post by janwilky on Jan 13, 2013 13:42:40 GMT 1
Uggh that's hideous . Our lovely old companion pony is a lifelong cribber. He has muscle damage on his neck which the vet thinks is from an operation to try and stop the cribbing. If so it didn't work! He used to be at a livery yard and had to wear a cribbing collar. Having seen how desperate he can be for a crib if he's not been able to for a while (like if he's in an electric fenced paddock), I think it's too cruel to try and stop a confirmed cribber from getting his 'fix'. I hate to see and hear him doing it and it used to make me shudder when I first had him, but I wouldn't want to try and stop it.
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Post by shan on Jan 13, 2013 13:51:34 GMT 1
Good god, whatever happened to sorting the causes not the symptoms? Hideous!
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Post by jill on Jan 13, 2013 13:54:50 GMT 1
Why is the focus on cribbing usually on stopping it instead of managing and the big one, PREVENTING it in the first place. Because once the habit is established nothing stops them really. A fantastic pony I had used to crib, Id never have afforded her if she didnt. She had lived with her stable door wired up and all fences she had access to yet she still tested them she was so desperate and she was not a really over enthusiastic cribber either. As she got older she did it more despite being out most of the time and never having no haylage. What gets me most is even the owners dont care about the horse much at all, how do they expect them to ride well with them in their gums? Where is the common sense/logic/reasoning? Surely having that done and having a horse that wants to crib and is crap to ride than having a cribber and putting a bar at the back of the stable so they can do it out of sight? Must admit, the noise made me cringe But i had her for years on a few yards and she never taught it to one other horse! Did you ever investigate her for ulcers? Or had she had them and been treated and still cribbed?
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 13, 2013 21:48:51 GMT 1
No I didnt Jill it was before the time of anyone knowing about ulcers and the link to cribbing. I often think of her problems and how being on bespoke minerals would have helped her as she also used to tie up really badly was tense and tight through her back depsite lots of visits from the best physio around at the time.
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Post by BJMM on Jan 14, 2013 14:17:48 GMT 1
I had a horse in the seventies whom I bought from a top show jumping yard. He was only six but cribbed and windsucked and came with a collar. He had been stabled 24/7 in a very busy yard. When he came to me I took the collar off and binned it, putting him out in a field all day (he didn't crib when turned out) and just tolerating the cribbing when he came in. We had four other horses on a quiet yard and none of them ever picked up the habit. The link between cribbing and ulcers wasn't known then and unfortunately we had little grazing, so he couldn't live out all the time. Plus (in the bad old days!) it simply wasn't done to have competition horses kept at grass! Although he always cribbed a bit he was a very laid back chap, in fab condition, and I evented and jumped him, never had any problems. That device is just barbaric!
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Post by outoftheblue on Jan 15, 2013 13:25:15 GMT 1
I had a cribber for over twenty years and would give anything to have him back. We just put rubber up on the edge of doors and so on so that his teeth were protected. He even had a rubber crib strip on the ramp doors in the lorry so that he could crib whilst travelling!
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Post by rrosie on Jan 15, 2013 14:11:20 GMT 1
The whole thing just looks barbaric and medieval.
on the plus side...
"Of the 10 cribbing patients that I have attempted to test this anti-cribbing methodology, one found a way to "hook" the rings and loosen them sufficiently to fall off."
ONE UP FOR THE HORSE!
;D ;D ;D
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Post by laurac on Jan 15, 2013 22:25:50 GMT 1
totally shocked at that how the hell is the horse supposed to be able to eat and graze wearing those hidious metal rings in its gums
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Post by cobmum on Jan 15, 2013 22:32:01 GMT 1
What this is madness how can this be legal its mutilation??? This is madness next horses will have their ears pierced to make them look pretty !
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Post by mollichop on Jan 16, 2013 8:21:35 GMT 1
Gobsmacked, sickened to the bottom of my stomach, appalled, ashamed, disgusted, horrified, and so so saddened that people can even think that this practise might be on the right side of okay. It's abhorrent absolutely abhorrent, I literally feel sick and am crying that this could be done to a horse or to any living creature, vile vile man. :'0(
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Post by wendyinfrance on Jan 17, 2013 9:37:00 GMT 1
Vet should be struck off for that. Plain and simple.
You know, they've given horses drug therapies to reduce the cribbing drive and guess what - it reduces their drive to EAT to the point where they starve themselves. That means, the compulsion to crib is on the same neural pathways and is as strong as their drive to eat. And they're driven to eat 20 hours a day!
Rubi cribs. He's had ulcer treatment and is still on Egusin SLH long-term. He lives out with company and has ad lib hay. Yet, he still goes and cribs from time to time. Now we just try and give him something to crib on that doesn't damage him and which we don't mind him damaging. But he developed that vice in race training from being stabled, stressed and fed a bunch of concentrates. Prevention is far, far better than cure.
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