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Post by wabuska on Dec 24, 2011 9:16:01 GMT 1
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Post by wills on Dec 24, 2011 10:11:01 GMT 1
No. The "be nice" is far more sevre IMO. I used to ride for a woman that used these and i am ashamed that i used them myself (before i found IH ;D) you can get quite a reaction from them... I hate the beads that run round the headpiece and the pressure rings at the cheeks, the rope they are made of is extremly thin which means it really digs in. Even the lightest presure on this halter is to sevre - its almost impossible to use this halter to "ask" it just "tells" - if that makes sense - I still have my "be nice" i dont know why as i will never use it again.
I love my dually and i feel like my horse works from respect instead of fear. I seppose though every piece of training kit can do harm in the wrong hands.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 10:19:27 GMT 1
The fact that he says that the Dually and the Be Nice type halter are of similar construction shows the extent of his knowledge on the subject. There are always going to be those who love to knock stuff without first getting their facts straight. There's not really much you can do about it other than just ignore them and hope most others do too.
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Post by specialized on Dec 24, 2011 11:37:37 GMT 1
I would 100% agree with his comments relating to the 'be nice' halter - but I think he has made a big mistake sweeping the dually into the same discussion, the two do not compare.
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Post by Yann on Dec 24, 2011 13:12:16 GMT 1
And the fact they're sniffy about pressure halters but not a rope halter further undermines their point. A thin rope halter can be more severe than a dually.
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Post by Kelly Marks on Dec 24, 2011 14:18:58 GMT 1
Agree with Yann and earlier comments. The War Bridle is a thin tightening rope over the poll - I know how to tie own but generally don't show people or if used without a lot of care will cause a horse to rear (i.e. you wouldn't put a novice on a horse to be ridden off the bottom rein of a curb - doesn't mean it's evil - just that's it's meant to be used extremely sensitively).
The only horse's that I've known rear with a Dually (and I can only think of two off hand) are horses that have been well taught to rear beforehand so it's their default response for anything they don't want to do.
I know there was a small pocket of resentment of Monty in Australia from the 'old school'. I saw some of the forums and they were very upset that he criticised the use of the bull whip at the starting stalls. He eventually got it banned.
It brings up a point about making important changes in the world - is there anyone whose done it to widespread praise and admiration? At the moment I can only think of Gareth Malone and if anyone criticises HIM I will despair!
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Post by jes on Dec 24, 2011 18:36:41 GMT 1
I don't believe you can compare the Dually with the "war bridle" or be nice halter. They don't appear to be the same at all, allbeit I have no experience of either. I do, however, have lots of experience of the Dually and all I can say is that it completely changed my and my horse's life (for the better). I have now been using it for nearly 9 years and it's got to be the best £40 I've ever spent.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 18:48:03 GMT 1
At the moment I can only think of Gareth Malone and if anyone criticises HIM I will despair! I wasn't all that keen on his cardigan... |
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Post by jaxnbreeze on Dec 25, 2011 10:39:21 GMT 1
How does the Pirelli Halter fit into this discussion? Is that a form of war bridle?
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Post by specialized on Dec 25, 2011 11:58:18 GMT 1
The parelli halter is just a more expensive rope halter which does not have a tightening effect like the be-nice or the war bridle.
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Post by Kelly Marks on Dec 26, 2011 17:21:27 GMT 1
Liz P - Another remark like this "I wasn't all that keen on his cardigan... " means a life ban!
Re. Parelli and general Western Halters - I haven't chosen to use them a great deal but Monty was brought up with them, his comments are upside very cheap to make if you have the rope but the thinner harder materials and knots have the 'potential' to hurt if used roughly (same as a lot of things though I would say much less so the Dually) and it's hard to be precise with some areas of working your horse so you would tend to have to use different techniques than you would a Dually. I would say the Dually is Most similar to the Western sidepull bridle, though not identical.
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Post by jamesb on Dec 26, 2011 18:29:50 GMT 1
As a total horsey novice I think the Dually is really great; folk might say "you're not experienced enough to use it" but I found it gave me much more confidence that a normal halter or a bridle, because it seemed to me the horse learned much faster what I would like it to do, and much less effort was needed on both our parts.
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 26, 2011 21:39:52 GMT 1
Tbh the dually has given me confidence and has certainly never caused rearing in the variety of horses ive used it on. I love mine and is the thing i reach for when lunging casper if he gets too strong. Never had any problems and he becomes light in my hand again. Enough said lol ;-)
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Post by julz on Dec 27, 2011 12:38:47 GMT 1
Yep, I use and sometimes ride Jay in the Dually even though once he was a bolter. His reactions to the aids in the dually are much sharper than that in a bit, also the aid itself is much softer.
Have never used a Be Nice, but have seen one used.. Don't like it. I think it actually made the pony worse, and if the owners had not bothered to teach the pony that grass underfoot meant full blown gallop then their problem would not have surfaced.
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 27, 2011 12:58:41 GMT 1
Nice post julz xx
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