eden
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Post by eden on Sept 1, 2008 8:32:32 GMT 1
Thats a relief! Hope you can get things done. Sorry 4 being bossy!! I didn't think you were ;D x I'm going to have to be careful how I go about it.
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Post by Susan on Sept 1, 2008 15:43:27 GMT 1
yes Golden Rod takes hold and also hard to gwet rid.. but at least not danger to horses ( I dont think)
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Post by lolamae on Sept 1, 2008 16:32:36 GMT 1
Susan,
Dreadful stuff it is, however, not poisonous at all. Useful as an astringent and a diuretic amongst other things. Not to mention that it does fill the flower vases nicely when much else is wilting.
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Post by Susan on Sept 1, 2008 19:05:46 GMT 1
I havenmt read through all of the many pages. So forgive me if repeating but do all know they should not pick it unless wearing protective gloves as it can be taken into your own system.
Just thought I would mention this.. again apologies if repeating advice
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yan
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Post by yan on Sept 1, 2008 21:30:49 GMT 1
Just been round my boys paddock today & found several small rosettes,I pulled it but am afraid if he's eaten any
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Post by lolamae on Sept 2, 2008 14:27:57 GMT 1
I havenmt read through all of the many pages. So forgive me if repeating but do all know they should not pick it unless wearing protective gloves as it can be taken into your own system. Just thought I would mention this.. again apologies if repeating advice Yes, I too, was going to mention it, but ploughed through and found it mentioned on a very early page. A valid point and I don't think apologies for repetition are required at all.
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Post by Susan on Sept 2, 2008 23:43:23 GMT 1
ah well better said again in case missed..
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Post by sarahbing on Sept 3, 2008 12:01:29 GMT 1
With regard to the question about set aside land, it's all covered in the ragwort act which can be downloaded from the defra website. Pages to wade through I'm afraid, my printer ran out of ink it's so long, but I believe you can get the owner of the set aside to spray if it is posing a threat to equines nearby.ie seeds blowing onto your land. In addition, I believe set aside rules have changed this year and farmers will have less incentive to leave their land uncultivated.
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Post by gillmcg on Sept 4, 2008 8:56:18 GMT 1
www.ragwortfacts.com/Another perspective perhaps? Having read all that I still pull and burn it anywhere near or on my land but don't get too wound up about it otherwise. Another thing to think about - more horses die on the roads every year than of ragwort poisoning........and what about laminitis related deaths? Maybe we need to put this all in perspective.....concentrate on the things we are directly responsible for and can make a difference to by our own actions. (Dons tin hat and hides!)
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jinglejoys
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Post by jinglejoys on Sept 4, 2008 16:03:14 GMT 1
So,according to that site we shouldnt pull it or poison it but let it go to seed so the plant will weaken and die!!!! What about the thousands of seedlings spread? My neighbour lives in B'ham and grows the obnoxious weed as a crop and I cant see any sign of it dying out!!!!!! (Who wrote that cr*p anyway?)
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Post by sarahbing on Sept 5, 2008 20:44:38 GMT 1
'This figure resulted from a survey sent to all members of the British Equestrian Veterinary Association(2). Replies were received from only 4% . In addition the figures were calculated on only suspected cases. This yielded 283 reports of SUSPECTED poisoning. A serious statistical error was then committed by extrapolating the results to all members of the association. Whilst some may feel this is a valid conclusion, It is very bad science as it is very dangerous to extrapolate from such a small sample. This is especially the case as a vet is more likely to respond to a survey if they treated cases of Ragwort poisoning themselves . This is corroborated by the fact of the high percentage of vets (89%) that said that they had treated suspected cases. There was a further flaw in that the possibility cannot be excluded that several vets reported the same cases, and that therefore cases would have been included more than once. This survey is therefore useless in determining the truth. Indeed the design and the statistical treatment seems to indicate that it was actually deliberately designed to give a false high figure.'
As a statistician, I would strongly disagree on a number of points of this interpretation of the surveys findings. Extrapolation is a perfectly valid method of statistical analysis when response is low. Yes, it should be treated with caution but to rule it out is wrong. I could go on but will bore you all to tears. PM me if you want a full picture on this. In summary, it is misinformation, but I haven't worked out why or by whom? Any ideas??
Thats not directed at the person who posted this - perspective is very important. But we can do something about ragwort and we need to.
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Post by sarahbing on Sept 12, 2008 14:45:35 GMT 1
On a practical note, how long would you leave your land if it had had ragwort before you felt it would be safe to grow hay? I spray the rosettes every spring/autumn several times to get them all, then dig any remaining plants in summer. This year (year 3 since I started) I had about 6 plants flowering. I thought another couple of years and it would be safe? What do you think??
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Post by sarahbing on Nov 5, 2008 15:06:27 GMT 1
As Liverpool University continues its quest to develop a test for ragwort poisoning in the horse, it also offors some excellent advice on its website regarding removal of the horrible stuff!
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Post by gordo on Jun 10, 2009 15:24:26 GMT 1
Not sure on this sarah but I am afraid that I wouldn't attempt in in case some got in that I didn't find. Probably never the case and not what you wanted to hear but the risk is too great. I have to go pulling more this avo!
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Post by sarahbing on Jun 11, 2009 10:14:32 GMT 1
I think you're right Gordo - too high risk. Will also be out there shortly if it ever stops raining!! I have hardly any this year so making progress.
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