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Post by greyanbay on Dec 30, 2009 14:34:43 GMT 1
thanks guys have spoken to vet and he is happy to refer her to york where they can do a scope there. she is insured too. will let you know how we get on.
Trouble :- i hope you get to the bottom of snips problem will keep fingers crossed for you. xxx
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 16:28:56 GMT 1
Hi Trouble, When they did a full work up did that include lunging on a hard surface? Tarmac or concrete I ask because I know many foot problems can be difficult to assess as they are bilateral and don't show up in straight lines. We have a horse that has passed two vettings this year and had a work up by our vet. In a straight line there is nothing to see, including after flexion tests. On a tight circle, its a different story. Stablehand has a similar story with one of hers. Feet hocks and ulcers have become my mantra for behavioural problems that are not sorted by good handling etc. Its amazing how many horses are lame when you block one leg out! Even the bare foot ones.
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 16:32:03 GMT 1
I should add that the horse that we have that was lame on a circle was very fit and hunting. It was only that he started to nap we investigated him. How many of us would think to lunge on a 10 metre circle on concrete! Not me, its scary!
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 18:03:55 GMT 1
Yep. Flat concrete, lunging in a tight cirlcle, the works. I've posted a lot of what I've done on here, but not everything because most of it came up with blanks.
When I say I've tried everything, I mean everything.
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 30, 2009 18:09:45 GMT 1
bless you x
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 18:11:26 GMT 1
What was it about him that Made you think to have a work up? How long ago was it? Has he had a muscle biopsy? How long have his shoes been off? Have the vets anymore ideas? Sorry for all questions, just racking my brains!
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 18:19:57 GMT 1
We did a full work up because he wasn't showing 'classic' ulcer symptoms, and seemed lame or pottery - well, not 'lame' but like the front end wasn't attached to the back end somehow, but it seems that it happens when he is trying to immobilise his mid section, he becomes very disconnected and won't stride out (as LizP witnessed at the weekend)
Ulcers cleared up, front and back end reconnect and he's sound as they come.
He's only ever worn one pair of shoes in his life, badly shod to be sold on, I had them taken off and the only time he's ever been lame on a foot is when he stood on a sharp flint and it went up into his white line.
Muscle biopsy - no, you got me on that one! So there is something I haven't tried! lol...what would the muscle biopsy be looking for?
Sorry OP, once again, Trouble hijacks an ulcer thread *blush*
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 30, 2009 18:21:41 GMT 1
what an awful affliction for any horse and owner...keep your chin up OP & trouble xx
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 18:22:31 GMT 1
Just to clarify - when I say badly shod to be sold on...I was the buyer not the seller!!! I've never had a set of shoes put on him.
Oh, and the work up was approx a year ago, but have had regular check ups on the usual stuff (tack, back, teeth) since then (3 monthly I'd say)
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 19:37:02 GMT 1
Does he have repetitive soreness when he has his back done now or has that cleared? Where is the soreness if he has it? As Stablehand will testify, we had a grumbling problem with her horse and just couldn't put a finger on what it was. He just wasn't quite right. Was treated for ulcers and better but still not perfect. Anyway long and short of it was he ended up being referred to Cambridge and eventually they found collateral ligament damage in his front feet. Took some doing though! Is he good to trim etc, can he hold his legs up well. There is a certain tightness to him that could well be a muscular problem, like Epsm. I have one of those and the only symptom he had was struggling to hold his hind legs up and high for farrier. Thank fully he went to vets for something else and they tested him for it. Was it this time of year he was bad before? Maybe its the lack of movement that makes him hurt and then causes his stomach to set off. He's been out all summer hasn't he? Sorry Op we have hijacked your thread! We can continue it elsewhere if you want, but I think its educational for all involved!!
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 19:38:25 GMT 1
Am so pleased Op by the way that your vet has agreed to refer your horse. Fingers crossed for you both
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 19:47:51 GMT 1
He's never had any soreness at all from having his back done, and have had 3 different 'types' of back people just to make sure I got all angles.
They've all, always said that he's exceptionally 'good' in his back. He has regular Bowen too, and all she ever finds is surface tight spots - superficial stuff, and he's never had the same spot show as sore more than once.
He's great to trim, one thing he does do is when you pick out his back feet, he picks them up, and 'kicks' (kick is the wrong word but I can't think of a better one right now!) his leg out behind him once - not hard or fast, and then he holds it no problem.
He's been out all summer, but is now in at night. He goes out in the morning at around 7am, and comes in any time between 4-5pm, has an hour of hay and a forage feed before I get there and do some work with him (be that ridden or ground work)
He is a tight horse, but this goes completely when he's not showing other ulcer symptoms.
Last year he developed the ulcers and the behaviour immediately on coming in 24/7...this year he was in for about 3.5 weeks before he showed any problems.
I'm happy to start another thread if the OP would rather, but I know discussions like this, from other people, helped me immensely when I was getting Snip's initial diagnosis.
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Post by peppertop on Dec 30, 2009 19:57:34 GMT 1
Mmm! I will think a bit more! Could you post a pic of him stood side on? Including his lower legs and feet? Maybe he just really doesn't do being in and needs a low level of Omeprazole when he has to be stabled? Stablehands horse does, although you wouldn't look at him and think he is a stresser! Did he ever have the antiobiotics? How old is he?
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 20:09:19 GMT 1
Snip IS a stresser, always has been, but the yard I moved him to (because of needing to change his lifestyle for the ulcers) seems to suit him and he's a total Mr chill these days. He's had antibiotics once in his life, a few years ago (Norodine) when he rolled on a sharp stone (dunce!) and punctured his shoulder. I don't have any recent side on pics....this one was taken when he was 4, he's 6 now. These were taken this summer, but not the best pics (scuse the sand!) And an action shot - one of our most recent
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Post by Trouble on Dec 30, 2009 20:45:13 GMT 1
Sorry, i just realised what you meant by antibiotics - were you referring to the Doxycycline for treating the ulcers? Yes he had them - forgot bout them, seems like forever ago!
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